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Terry Hamblin |
Hi Gale
Dr John
Byrd at Ohio State at Columbus is one of the world's
foremost CLL experts.
FISH
stands for Fluorescent In Situ Hybridization. It is a
way of looking for specific chromosome abnormalities
that is a lot easier than trying to do the karyotype,
which is very difficult in CLL. In CLL the 4 commonest
abnormalities are looked for by FISH - three #12
chromosomes (called trisomy 12), and bits broken off the
long arms of chromosomes #11 and #13 or the short arm of
#17 (known as del 11q23; del 13q14 and del 17p13).
ZAP-70 is
an enzyme that is used by lymphocytes to signal messages
from the outside of the cell to the inside. It is only
there in the unmutated subset (the ones with the worse
prognosis) Because the VH gene test is hard to do we
have developed the ZAP-70 test which ban be done by flow
cytometry and should eventually be available in most
labs in the world. There is a paper about ZAP-70 in
today's New England Journal of Medicine. Although in
most cases the ZAP-70 test gives the same answer as the
VH gene test, there are still some teething troubles to
sort out.
Trisomy
12 is a marker of intermediate prognosis. It is not an
indication for early treatment. Watch and wait is the
general prescription. Indications for treatment are
clinical - weight loss, fever, rapidly enlarging lymph
nodes. or the development of anemia or a low platelet
count. Most haematologist would also treat if the white
count doubles in 6 months or less - in some parts of the
world they start if the white count doubles in less than
12 months. |
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Terry Hamblin |
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Dear
John,
The paper
in NEJM that Peter refers to is the third to be
published (the others have first authors Crespo, again
in NEJM last year, and Orchard, this year in the Lancet)
dealing with measuring ZAP-70 by flow cytometry. If it
seems to be taking a long time to get this up an running
it's because there are several technical problems
involved and many very good labs that have tried to get
the test going haven't succeeded. The point is that the
concordance with VH mutations in the other two papers
was 94%.
Why the
discrepancy? Difficult to say. This is a larger series
of patients. The new paper uses a different antibody to
the first two. It deals with a younger group of patients
(median age 55). What should happen now is an exchange
of samples between the 3 labs who have done the tests to
see if they find the same result on the same samples.
But, John you are right, if the concordance is only 76%
we need to keep doing VH mutations as well as ZAP-70 and
start looking at another group of antigens that also
seem to be different in the two subgroups. |
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Terry Hamblin |
ZAP-70 results
should be interpreted with caution. There is no validation of
the results by a quality assurance scheme, and the only results I really
trust are those done in my own lab. We know that the assay done in San
Diego has
much greater discordance with VH gene status than does ours or
Montserrat's in
Barcelona. I know that many commercial labs are setting the assay up, but
I
don't know whether they are valid or not. However, in our experience of
patients discordant for ZAP-70 and VH genes either one may give a more
accurate
assessment of prognosis. Although, there is no evidence as yet that
ZAP-70
changes over time, very few sequential studies have been done.
ZAP-70 by flow is much
more variable. The three published papers all used slightly different
techniques, and several well known labs failed to get the assay to work.
I am
dubious of everybody's results outside the three labs that have
published.
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Terry Hamblin |
In our series
we have 185 patients who have had both VH genes and ZAP-70
performed. There are 17 with discordant results. 12 gave low ZAP-70 with
unmutated genes and 5 high ZAP-70 with mutated genes. All these had
between 96.9% and
97.9% homology, so they may mot have been discordant at all. There was
no
suggestion that the % positivity of ZAP-70 affected the concordance.
Four of the
five with mutated VH genes and high ZAP-70 have needed treatment. Eight
of
the twelve with unmutated VH genes and low ZAP-70 have required
treatment. |
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Terry Hamblin |
You cannot make
any assumptions about your ZAP-70 result without having the test done,
but the question is should you have it done, and can you rely on the
result?
VH gene mutations were the way that we first realised that we could
separate CLL into a relatively benign subset with an average survival of
about 25 years, and a relatively malignant subset with an average
survival of 8 years.
ZAP-70 is a signalling protein used in T-cells, but not normally used in
B-cells. However, it does seem to be used in unmutated CLL. Those of us
working in the field quickly saw that it might be a way of
distinguishing between the mutated and unmutated subset, but because it
was an internal protein (not a surface one) and because much more is
present in T-cells and there are always T-cell mixed in with CLL cells,
it was always going to be technically difficult to measure it.
Ideally we wanted a Flow cytometry assay since these are the cheapest
and quickest, and the companies could quickly get hold of them and cell
them to labs all over the world. This proved very hard to do and many
labs abandoned the task. Eventually, the labs in Barcelona and
Bournemouth came up with an assay, quickly followed by a lab in Essen,
Germany. Although the methods differed in detail, they were all based on
the same antibody, clone 2F3.2, which was used in what is known as an
indirect assay. This means that the antibody was applied to the cells
first, then detected by an anti-antibody that was fluorescently labelled
afterwards.
Now companies are not keen on indirect assays - too many steps, too much
to go wrong. They prefer direct assays where the antibody itself is
fluorescent labelled. The only trouble is, when we tried directly
labelled clone 2F3.2 directly labelled, we didn't get the same results.
In fact there were many false positives
Last year a paper was published on ZAP-70 in the New England Journal of
Medicine by Rassenti et al on behalf of the CLL Consortium. The results
were a bit different to what the Europeans had found. They had found a
94% correlation between ZAP-70 and VH gene mutations; but the American
group only found an 77% correlation. I suggested at the time in a
leading article in the same journal that this might have been because of
a difference in methodology. They used a directly conjugated antibody,
but it was a different antibody, clone 1E7.2 coupled to a new
fluorescent dye, ALEXA-488.
Other labs around the world have attempted to repeat the work of the CLL
Consortium. So far keeping my ear to the ground I hear that difficulties
have arisen. with different results using this assay on the same samples
that were used for the original European assays.
Clearly, this matter needs resolving and until it is it would be unwise
to rely on ZAP-70 results. This is especially so for the conjugated
antibodies used by commercial labs. At the moment VH gene mutations
seems a more reliable assay even though it is not so readily available.
I am sure you know the story of the drunk who was searching for his lost
coin under the lamppost, not because he lost it there, but because the
light was better. The ZAP-70 test may be easier to do than VH gene
mutations, but until we are sure what it means we would do better to
stick to the harder test. |
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Terry Hamblin |
I have to emphasise that ZAP-70 is still an
experimental test, and whether it is believable depends on where it was
done and how good was the quality assurance. Most patients with stage 0
disease who are CD38 negative can look forward to a long survival even
if they are ZAP-70 positive, but immediate treatment is not warranted.
The management of your condition should be watch and wait. It is most
unlikely that you would have either p53 abnormalities or a deletion of
11q.
I think it would be wise to gauge the pace
of your disease over a period, and wait a while before you have further
prognostic tests. |
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Terry Hamblin |
The development of the ZAP-70 assay by flow
cytometry has been difficult and at least three methods have been
published. I have been anxious about this test being adopted generally
until we have some harmonization of methods and demonstrated
reproducibility.
To this end a meeting took place in Paris
last week, where all those in Europe and America who have an interest in
this test were able to meet and share technical details. The conclusion
was that we should all try and concentrate on a single method and become
proficient in its use. The method is basically the one developed at San
Diego by Laura Rassenti and Tom Kipps and marketed by Caltag. The
advantage of this test is that it uses a directly conjugated antibody
and therefore makes the test easier to do in a routine laboratory.
Although one French group found that this did not perform well in their
hands, both the Bournemouth and Barcelona groups found it to be
consistent with their own methodologies (Orchard et al and Crespo et
al.).
The UK National Quality Assurance Scheme in
Sheffield will oversee sending out samples to participating laboratories
in Europe to ensure that results in different laboratories are
consistent. Such things as type of anticoagulant, storage and transport
will be investigated.
It is clear that this test is not a complete
surrogate for VH genes. A positive ZAP-70 correctly predicted VH gene
mutational status in just over three quarters of cases (77%) in the
Rassenti paper. This is not very much better than CD38 (70%). In our
hands the Caltag method does a little better at 84% concordance. For the
moment I would still prefer to know the results of VH genes, CD38 and
FISH as well as ZAP-70. |
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Terry Hamblin |
In one of the
e-mails I sent about ZAP-70 when I had the flu, I gave a false
impression and I want to correct it.
Flow cytometric testing for ZAP-70 is not easy. Three labs have
developed three different assays. In lots of ways the assay developed in
San Diego is the most exciting of the three because it is has fewer
steps, and it seems to give better prognostic information than VH gene
mutations, in that patients who are VH gene mutated, ZAP-70 positive
have a worse prognosis than patients who are VH gene unmutated, ZAP-70
negative.
If I were a commercial lab, this is the one I would latch on to.
BUT so far we have just one paper published using this test and we need
to see independent confirmation of the results. This does not mean that
I doubt the quality of the work of the San Diego laboratory, far from
it. I know that Laura Rassenti and Tom Kipps are most careful workers
and highly expert in the field. If I had CLL, Dr Kipps would be one of
the first people I would call.
In Germany recently I attended a meeting of ERIC which is the European
Union's rather feeble attempt to duplicate the CLL Consortium. We were
trying to standardise ZAP-70 testing by Flow. One of the groups present
from a well known expert lab had tried to duplicate the results of the
New England Journal paper and found slightly different answers. Now that
does not mean that San Diego is wrong and Europe is right, nor the other
way round. What it does mean is that we are dealing with a complex
problem and we should not be relying on a single test to tell the
future.
At the moment ZAP-70 testing by FLOW is still under development. If you
have had your ZAP-70 tested in San DIego, or in Barcelona or in
Bournemouth, you will have had the authenticity of the test validated by
RT-PCR and/or Western blotting. The test will mean what it says. If you
have had it tested in a commercial laboratory, they may perhaps have
validated their result, but I could not guarantee that.
Nobody claims that ZAP-70 is an exact surrogate for VH gene mutations.
Different labs find different degrees of separation. Whether this is due
to the different assays or to differences in the group of patients
studied is not yet clear. More work is needed.
I know patients are impatient with the slow pace of science. If I had
the disease, I would be. Sometimes we rage at the FDA because they are
slow at licensing new drugs. But in medicine, wrong decisions can kill
people.
I believe, and I am sure Dr Kipps does too, that the place for ZAP-70
testing is in clinical trials. The same is true for VH testing and FISH
tests. We need to evaluate the performance of these prognostic tests in
prospective studies.
People ask me whether I would treat someone with minimal CLL who had
unmutated VH genes, was ZAP-70 positive, CD38 positive and had del 11q23
by FISH. I answer, yes: in a clinical trial. The history of medicine
abounds with tragedies cause by people who thought they could second
guess the future.
The new prognostic markers look like being very useful, but we have no
data on what happens if we treat patients on the basis of the markers.
That's why we need controlled clinical trials. |
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ZAP-70
positivity.
There are three
current methods for measuring ZAP-70 by Flow. The two indirect methods
Crespo et al and Orchard et al have different upper limits of normal at
20% and 10% respectively. The direct method of Rassenti et al has 20% as
the upper limit of normal. The normal range was determined by each lab
by comparing positive and negative controls and those were the figures
arrived at. The figures given take into account the various artefacts of
the methods. There is no 'no-man's-land' Those who are 55% positive are
not worse than those with 25%. It should be regarded as an on-off
switch. |