The Professors' Posts

When can you trust tests?

 

ACOR CLL List Help Pages
TERRY HAMBlIN

The problem with these new prognostic tests is that they are new. They have been developed in research laboratories and are still only being used in a relatively few labs. Most lab tests are subject to external quality assurance. This means that wherever you go in the world you get the same answer. The new prognostic tests are not controlled in this way.

Flow cytometry

This is a method of determining whether an antibody reacts with a cell. You can do this down the microscope, but if you do you can only count a few hundred cells. The flow cytometer is a machine that does the same thing, but counts tens of thousands of cells, so it is much more accurate. Most routine labs now have a flow cytometer - there are quite cheap bench top machines, and the methods have become standardised. The main use of flow cytometry in CLL is to ensure the diagnosis. CLL cells should be CD5+, CD19+, CD23+, and have weak surface immunoglobulin and weak or negative CD79b. They are mostly FMC7 negative too, and CD20 is usually quite weak. There are a number of other B-cell lymphomas that sometimes resemble CLL, but flow cytometry for these is different and therefore you can be sure that you are dealing with CLL and not an impostor.

Recently labs have been testing for CD38. This tells something about prognosis. The problem is that CD38 is also on T cells, so you have to be sure that you are looking at the right population (B-cells not T-cells), and when it was introduced even quite expert research labs made a hash of it.

The reason that CD38 was thought to be useful was that it seemed to give the same results as whether or not there were somatic mutations in the immunoglobulin genes. Our lab had discovered that those patients without mutations had a much shorter survival (about 8 years) than those with mutations (about 25 years). The New York group came to the same conclusion as us and showed that unmutated cases were CD38 positive. Since somatic mutations is a hard to do test and very time consuming, it was thought that CD38 could be a substitute. Unfortunately, this turned out not to be true. We showed that the tests give different results in 30% of cases and in 25% of cases the level of CD38 changes during the course of the disease.

It was because we were searching for another surrogate that ZAP-70 turned up. After we had suggested there might be 2 types of CLL, scientists at the NIH in Maryland examined the 2 types to see which genes were switched on and which were switched off. They did this using a chip for microarrays. They found that the two types differed by about 240 genes, and the gene that most completely separated them was ZAP-70.

ZAP-70 is a molecule used to signal between the cell surface and the nucleus. It is part of the normal signalling apparatus of T-cells but not of B-cells. However it does seem to be involved in signalling in the more severe type of CLL. Measuring ZAP-70 in the way that the NIH did it is just as complicated as looking for somatic mutations.

At this point we collaborated with the NIH and we devised some other quicker tests. One was RT-PCR, where you extract the RNA from the CLL cells to see whether it will bind to complementary nucleic acid probes. This turns out to be complicated because you have to remove the T-cells (which have even more ZAP-70 then positive CLL cells do. Another used an antibody to stain histology slides of lymph node or bone marrow. This was OK, but only semi-quantitative. Another antibody test was Western blotting, but this also meant removing the T-cells.

We then set about designing a flow cytometry test for ZAP-70. This was done by Jenny Orchard in our lab. It was quite a difficult task because ZAP-70 in CLL cells is quite weak and inside the cells rather than on the surface. The antibodies available were not designed for this sort of assay. Many labs around the world gave up because they couldn't get it to work, but Jenny persevered and finally developed an assay. We had to check that it gave the same result as all the previous tests including RT-PCR, and Western blotting. At the same time as us Dr Montserrat's lab in Barcelona, Spain also produced a Flow assay. Both assays were reported at the ASH meeting in December 2002. Both assays gave closely similar results to somatic mutations - <10% discrepancies.

Late last year the CLL Consortium reported an American test developed at San Diego. Unfortunately this gave 25% discrepancies with somatic mutations. They suggested that if somatic mutations and ZAP-70 gave different results then the ZAP-70 was more likely to be right. Unfortunately this is not what the British, the Spanish and the Germans, who now have a test of their own, find. So the question remains open and I still think that we should do somatic mutations as well. Fortunately a more streamlined test for somatic mutations is becoming available, and we can now get answers more quickly and on older material. We can do the test on samples arriving by post rather than having the patient appear at the lab for testing.

FISH testing is another way of looking at chromosomes. There is no single chromosomal abnormality in CLL. The earliest finding was trisomy 12 - three number 12 chromosomes. In the mid 1980s, David Oscier in our lab discovered the commonest abnormality, a number 13 chromosome missing its long arm (del 13q). The problem with conventional analysis of chromosomes is that CLl cells don't divide very easily, and you can only analyse chromosome down the microscope when they are dividing. With FISH you can recognise chromosomes in non-dividing cells. It is like an antibody test where a fluorescently labelled antibody is reacted with a protein on the cell. Here it is a fluorescently labelled piece of DNA which is reacted with apiece of DNA in the cell with a matching sequence. Just at fluorescent antibodies are targeted at a single protein, so the fluorescent DNA is targeted at a particular piece of DNA. This means that with FISH you don't see the whole set of chromosomes only the ones that you specifically target.

Generally, the targets are the long arm of 13, the middle of 12, the long arm of 11 and the short arm of 17. A missing bit of 13 is a good prognosis, a missing bit of 17 is a very bad prognosis, a missing bit of 11 is often bad news. but some patients are not affected by it and we are still trying to work out why. Three number 12s is Ok if there are somatic mutations but bad news if there are not. I would prefer to have the full set of chromosomes tested, but the truth is that most labs are unable to do this, and even we have abandoned it for most routine cases.

So what are the most important test to have done. We do somatic mutations (VH mutations), ZAP-70, CD38 and FISH. And I only trust the labs that have developed the tests with appropriate controls. Until there are proper quality control services I don't trust the commercial labs on these very difficult tests.

A simple question. I'm sorry the answer is so complicated.

Return to Professors' Posts

Help Page